Thank you for starting your own forum. I really like how you think, from what I read in Laura's The Wave. Very brilliant man. We need more spiritual knowledge. I know I do! And like the Cassiopaean's said, science is spiritual.
I've read Gurdjieff's work, so when you said this: "but when the boy grows into a man and continues to behave in the same ignorant way, there is something deeper wrong either with such individuals, or with a world that permits – even encourages – that sort of anti-human behavior"... it reminded me of when Gurdjieff said, many men stop growing (their Essence) about the age of 2 to 5 years, but their Personality keeps growing.
So, the Essence becomes buried under the Personality. The Essence is what we came here with. The Personality is everything OUTSIDE OF Essence, but it is what is USED (worked) in order to grow the Essence toward wisdom.
The Personality is nothing without the Essence. Personality is like the flesh on the Essence and it will die with death, but the Essence is like the breath, and Essence will continue on...nevertheless, Essence MUST GROW in order to move out of this prison we find ourselves in, or else, Essence may be stuck in this place through reincarnation after reincarnation for who knows how long, enduring more unnecessary suffering, and with the grave danger that the negative alien non-sentient ones may steal the Essence bit by bit until there is none left. They are known as soul stealers. That is how they exist, by stealing people's connection to the Original Creator, their Essence.
So, for those beings who seem to not learn about anything sentient, it is as though they are shoved into a small cell or box. And the Personality, the world's dogmas, and service to selfishness, grows over their Essence like vines and weeds so that it is not easy to reach the little boy (or girl) inside. Something happened to those people who stopped growing from within. It could be anything.
By looking at many researchers' descriptions, there are not only little boys (or girls) trapped inside a box who stopped growing, but there are also clones and organic portals (robots), and other strange types of not-human type beings that are continually throwing stones and rocks at those who are working to find the truth. And the problem here to be solved is how to strengthen our selves who are growing in Essence, so that the stones reflect off of us and go back to them who throw them so that they can learn not to throw stones when they feel how dangerous it is to their own life. Hmhmhm. Yes. We must be kind of cunning ourselves, to lessen the burden. To put the burden where it belongs...on the backs of those who engaged it to begin with, the fallen. What is the hidden language we use to communicate with one another, so that the dark does not understand us? Symbolism. It spreads like mathematics into geometry. And that is climbing higher on the staircase than the dark can endure to go on. Hard climb, but, nothing good ever was accomplished without a strong effort. And in this world, we need a strong effort to finally remove ourselves from their dead playground of boys and girls who never learn because they're already taken over by the dark side and used as pawns.
I too learned this kind of cruelty from other boys, and luckily it wore off over time. However, I often think that if I had had my male parent around to show me the wonder of the streams, ponds & lakes. If he had taken me in hand at 5 or 6 years old and said, "come on, let's go on an adventure and find interesting things." If he had expressed some joy & wonder about life, and showed me how to handle tadpoles, frogs and toads. I might have learned something about respect instead of murder.
Yes, "... if, if, if...". On the other hand difficulties, when overcome, make us stronger. I often think "If I only knew then what I know now...." But then I realize that I am not so sure if that would be so good and only good!
Yes, lol! 'If' indeed! There is only now. The good you have and are is only in the now. In retrospect, it seems we can be nudged to realize the now & our good.
“I must warn you that you cannot attain to such blessings if you insist on clinging to your present joys. Look back on your life and see what good has come to you from past joys. They are as useless to you today as the snows of last year which have melted and left no trace by which one can remember what they were. Only the imprints of conscious labour and intentional suffering are real and can be used in the future for obtaining a good.”
In other words, we live in a constant state of amnesia, and the only thing that is worth its salt is the imprinting that comes through 'intentional suffering and conscious labour.' I 'see' the truth of it. Thanks for sharing. As an aside, I enjoy reading books like 'EARTH CHANGES AND THE HUMAN COSMIC CONNECTION' The Secret History of the World Book 3. There in the Acknowledgement one of the co-author's, Pierre Lescaudron, mentions you. And now years later, here I am typing replies to the very person Pierre shares his warmest regards for. In my estimation, that is a very wonderful thing, and one in which I will stubbornly cling onto my present joy for!
Welcome to Substack, Ark!
Another adventure. Thanks Ryan!
Thank you for starting your own forum. I really like how you think, from what I read in Laura's The Wave. Very brilliant man. We need more spiritual knowledge. I know I do! And like the Cassiopaean's said, science is spiritual.
I've read Gurdjieff's work, so when you said this: "but when the boy grows into a man and continues to behave in the same ignorant way, there is something deeper wrong either with such individuals, or with a world that permits – even encourages – that sort of anti-human behavior"... it reminded me of when Gurdjieff said, many men stop growing (their Essence) about the age of 2 to 5 years, but their Personality keeps growing.
So, the Essence becomes buried under the Personality. The Essence is what we came here with. The Personality is everything OUTSIDE OF Essence, but it is what is USED (worked) in order to grow the Essence toward wisdom.
The Personality is nothing without the Essence. Personality is like the flesh on the Essence and it will die with death, but the Essence is like the breath, and Essence will continue on...nevertheless, Essence MUST GROW in order to move out of this prison we find ourselves in, or else, Essence may be stuck in this place through reincarnation after reincarnation for who knows how long, enduring more unnecessary suffering, and with the grave danger that the negative alien non-sentient ones may steal the Essence bit by bit until there is none left. They are known as soul stealers. That is how they exist, by stealing people's connection to the Original Creator, their Essence.
So, for those beings who seem to not learn about anything sentient, it is as though they are shoved into a small cell or box. And the Personality, the world's dogmas, and service to selfishness, grows over their Essence like vines and weeds so that it is not easy to reach the little boy (or girl) inside. Something happened to those people who stopped growing from within. It could be anything.
By looking at many researchers' descriptions, there are not only little boys (or girls) trapped inside a box who stopped growing, but there are also clones and organic portals (robots), and other strange types of not-human type beings that are continually throwing stones and rocks at those who are working to find the truth. And the problem here to be solved is how to strengthen our selves who are growing in Essence, so that the stones reflect off of us and go back to them who throw them so that they can learn not to throw stones when they feel how dangerous it is to their own life. Hmhmhm. Yes. We must be kind of cunning ourselves, to lessen the burden. To put the burden where it belongs...on the backs of those who engaged it to begin with, the fallen. What is the hidden language we use to communicate with one another, so that the dark does not understand us? Symbolism. It spreads like mathematics into geometry. And that is climbing higher on the staircase than the dark can endure to go on. Hard climb, but, nothing good ever was accomplished without a strong effort. And in this world, we need a strong effort to finally remove ourselves from their dead playground of boys and girls who never learn because they're already taken over by the dark side and used as pawns.
I find you inspirational. Thank-you.
I too learned this kind of cruelty from other boys, and luckily it wore off over time. However, I often think that if I had had my male parent around to show me the wonder of the streams, ponds & lakes. If he had taken me in hand at 5 or 6 years old and said, "come on, let's go on an adventure and find interesting things." If he had expressed some joy & wonder about life, and showed me how to handle tadpoles, frogs and toads. I might have learned something about respect instead of murder.
Yes, "... if, if, if...". On the other hand difficulties, when overcome, make us stronger. I often think "If I only knew then what I know now...." But then I realize that I am not so sure if that would be so good and only good!
Yes, lol! 'If' indeed! There is only now. The good you have and are is only in the now. In retrospect, it seems we can be nudged to realize the now & our good.
It reminds me the following quote from Gurdjieff:
“I must warn you that you cannot attain to such blessings if you insist on clinging to your present joys. Look back on your life and see what good has come to you from past joys. They are as useless to you today as the snows of last year which have melted and left no trace by which one can remember what they were. Only the imprints of conscious labour and intentional suffering are real and can be used in the future for obtaining a good.”
In other words, we live in a constant state of amnesia, and the only thing that is worth its salt is the imprinting that comes through 'intentional suffering and conscious labour.' I 'see' the truth of it. Thanks for sharing. As an aside, I enjoy reading books like 'EARTH CHANGES AND THE HUMAN COSMIC CONNECTION' The Secret History of the World Book 3. There in the Acknowledgement one of the co-author's, Pierre Lescaudron, mentions you. And now years later, here I am typing replies to the very person Pierre shares his warmest regards for. In my estimation, that is a very wonderful thing, and one in which I will stubbornly cling onto my present joy for!
It's the only thing we've got if we're to ever get out of this hell!